Todd vs. Bryson (Part 1)

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There has been a discussion about Bryson’s Comments about the golf swing from an article in Golf Magazine.  I love what Bryson is doing for golf.  I love the way he starts and impacts on The Single Plane. 

There are variances in what I teach vs. what Bryson Teaches.  Below, you will see my comments about the differences in what Graves Golf Teaches vs. Bryson.  I have taken the liberty to put Bryson’s name in front of his quotes from the article. 

Bryson: GRIP THE CLUB IN YOUR PALM, NOT YOUR FINGERS

Bryson:  Most golfers are taught to grip the club in the fingers, to help create more clubhead speed. But research shows that your hands contribute only 10 percent to your overall swing velocity. Would you trade just a little speed for a grip that lets you hit a lot more fairways and greens? I thought so. (Don’t worry—I’ll show you how to get back those missing mph’s a bit later).

Step one in establishing a single-plane swing: Place the grip in the middle of your left palm, then wrap your digits around the handle (bottom photo, right). Your hold will feel more secure, and the grip will sit higher in your hands, creating the ideal angle for a single-plane swing. In a finger grip, the shaft sits too flat in your hands, adding a needless variable to your motion. To ramp up your control, try a thicker grip, like I have. Using a palm hold on a standard-size grip often makes it difficult to get your left-hand pinkie all the way around the handle. You need all 10 fingers on the club to consistently catch the ball square.

Todd: I agree that speed doesn’t come from the hands. I disagree that holding in the Palm has much to do with Single Plane.  The Single Plane alignment runs the axis of the club through hand because of tilt of the body and hand and forearm rotation. 

Todd: Also, holding in the palm is relative to grip size. Yes, I believe Grip size matters but it is Shaft Axis (Through the hand) that matters.  The grip may fit into the palm, however, just like if you hold a water bottle, the bottle is in the palm but the center line (axis) of the of the bottle is not.  

Todd: No, You do not need all ten fingers on the club to catch the ball square. There is no scientific basis for that comment. The ball has no idea how you hold the club.  The club is reacting to the hands as levers.   As a matter of fact, there are two levers,  the left wrist and right wrist.  They act as hinges.  You must get them to work together.

Here is a video to clarify: https://youtu.be/NbtwprWqDCk

Bryson: USE MY “IMPACT FIX POSITION” TRIGGER

Bryson: Something always bothered me about the swing as it’s commonly taught: You start in one position (address) but “end” in another (impact). That’s another variable to worry about, and if your goal is to swing on the same plane from start to finish, the starting and end points must match. That’s why I get into what I call an “impact fix position” at address. It’s not a drill. On every swing, I press my hands forward and shift some weight to my front foot in a mock impact position before I start back. I learned about this move while reading Homer Kelley’s book The Golfing Machine as a kid, and it really clicked. Case in point: On Tour in 2016, I was seventh in proximity to the pin from 125 to 150 yards (19′ 3″), and I ranked fourth from 150 to 175 yards (24′ 1″). And those numbers could have been even better! (I only played in 13 events.) A lot of my success is about removing superfluous moves and making my swing more repeatable, and this swing trigger keeps things simple. And let me add: There’s no such thing as “natural talent.” Anyone can do this! The guy who always beats you? I’ll bet he’s simply applied himself more to learning the game. You work hard, too, but hard work is useless if you get bad information. I wouldn’t preach the single-plane swing if it didn’t work!

Todd:  I agree that you can simplify the golf swing at address and at the start.  The Single Plane Swing starts and impacts on the same plane (shaft positon). 

Todd: In The Single Plane Swing, Moe started club head behind the ball and his hands ahead of the club head.  This was Moe’s Preset position.  This also tilted his spine closer to where it would be at impact.  This also promoted a Natural takeaway making it easy to stay under the plane into impact. 

Here is a video about The Perfect Single Plane Address:  https://youtu.be/Dg5zIHfENAA

Part 2 Coming Soon.

7 thoughts to “Todd vs. Bryson (Part 1)”

  1. I have worked hard at precise grip, address, and 12″ positioning with the driver–and with the help of
    the Epic Flash Star lightweight 12* Driver with Senior flex shaft that Tim put me into, this 78 y/o
    golfer with an 80 Mph swing speed can consistently hit 170-180 yd drives (no roll in winter in Seattle)
    in the fairway 75-80 % of the time; I’m a fan of Bryson but think he could do a lot better with accuracy
    by spending some time with Todd. For that matter, so could Tiger, have often thought that he could resurrect his game, taking stress off his left leg and back by going to a 5-day school!!

  2. It’s hard to disagree with Bryson’s results they have been more successful than any other single plane golfer including Moe. So to justify the critique the one thing Bryson said about no such thing as Natural Talent is incorrect. Then the changes or differences that Tod pointed out should improve his game. It would be interesting if Bryson tried these changes and improved. Send him a copy!

  3. I have always since early 90’s put more weight on left foot, stack and tilt, it keeps me in the proper balance for contact. I have not noticed any hindrance to using my toes swing. I have never felt comfortable trying to get the backward to forward movement of Moe’s swing. I am consistent and far enough on drives and irons are easy for me to hit and very consistent Bryson is young enough to adapt to almost any swing he choses at 80 I do not have as flexible body.

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